Saturday, March 15, 2008

This doesn't make me feel so included by this call of "unity" by Obama
"We are a congregation which is Unashamedly Black and unapologetically Christian... Our roots in the Black religious experience and tradition are deep, lasting and permanent. We are an African people, and remain "true to our native land," the mother continent, the cradle of civilization. God has superintended our pilgrimage through the days of slavery, the days of segregation, and the long night of racism. It is God who gives us the strength and courage to continuously address injustice as a people, and as a congregation. We constantly affirm our trust in God through cultural expression of a Black worship service and ministries which address the Black Community."
Should this matter? It gives me the heebies, as I am sure my church does to many others. But this Reverend is the one who invited politics into his church, so yes, I say let's discuss it and let's be honest. To me I would never vote for Obama solely based on his political stands and this is just fuel to my fire. I think the religiosity of this controversy is second to the misleading manner in which Obama is now addressing the problem. His denouncing a Church that he has attended for 20 years and has donated tens of thousands of dollars to, has had his children baptised in, married his wife in, is now suddenly something in which he is denouncing. This speaks loudly to the authenticity of this individual. It also speaks to the questions of Obama not wearing a flag pin, not putting his hand over his heart and Michelle only being proud of America at the present and saying that America is mean. Of course they both have top notch educations from Ivy league schools and are indeed privileged. The problem to me is not the religious affiliation, but now the dismissing of it when it would appear that the message that is being delivered by Obama and bought by many appears to be fraudulent. Like I have said in previous posts, this hand reaching is merely a ploy to cut the hand off.......that's the way I see it.


Mike said...

Kind of makes you wish that Americans could handle a candidate that didn't pander to the religious people, doesn't it? Wouldn't it be nice if Americans could handle a candidate who says, "sure, I believe in God, but I don't belong to any religion." Or even better, was an Atheist? But they can't. So politicians make with the Cristian BS in order to gain acceptance.

On the plus side, though, at least Obama doesn't condone torture, so at least he has that going for him.

Also, is that quote from Obama or the minister?

Nikki said...

Hey Mike.....the quote is from the Church website in the "about us" section and it may be some sort of mission statement I am not sure. As far as politicians and religious affiliation, I wouldn't mind a non-religious President as long as he or she was conservative. I am not so sure how those two philosophies would go together, but perhaps they could gel in some way. And Obama does believe in torture, it's called democrats opening their mouths....haha!! great to hear from you! :)N

Anthony Palmer said...

You might want to amend your post. Nowhere and at no time did Obama say he did not say the Pledge of Allegiance. The issue in question is whether he should put his hand over his heart during the playing of the Star Spangled Banner.

And regarding overheated political rhetoric and the church, not to condone what Rev. Wright said, but that's exactly what people like Rev. Jerry Falwell, James Dobson, and Pat Robertson have been doing for decades.

Nikki said...

Anthony, post amended......thanks for clarifying and I agree Jerry Falwell and the boys do it all the time and I am NOT an evangelical christian and I don't condone their words either......As a Mormon I would never follow or even listen to the teachings of these evangelical leaders, we have our own leaders. So I can't be lumped in with these blowhards....:)N

ba and the boys said...

all i can say is that if i disowned my church everytime a crazy person who belonged to it came out of the wood work, i would have left it years ago. but i wouldnt wait until it was a matter of life and death for my political career to do it.
i used to have respect for him, just as a person (not as someone id vote for) because i thought that he was above the clintons, not doing stuff just to get poll numbers up. but i guess i was wrong. it is all about the polls.

namaste said...

nikki, i can certainly agree on obama's credibility being called into question here. i mean honestly, who does that? cut the ties like that after 20 yrs? unfortunately for obama he is caught between a rock and a hard place because he is running for president in a country with a very checkered and painful history around racial issues. once upon a time there were some really hateful and disturbed white people committing heinous acts against a lot of innocent black people. though a significant number of white people were mortified by those hateful others, they didn't quite know how to address it right away. their inaction and slow reactions angered a lot of black people. obama is genetically tied to both races. he had to know that he would be forced to show his alliance to one or the other. it's a process, we are still evolving into a more united group as countrymen. and if you're a black person living in this country, intelligent about your assessments as opposed to emotionally attached thinking, you understand that change doesn't come overnight in ANY part of the world. AND that change does NOT happen with a country's leader, but with its brave citizens, one brave soul at a time. personally, i wouldn't be caught dead worshipping at a church with an extremist like obama's rev. his sermon are belly-aching, name-calling, cry-baby speeches.

ah vell. it is what it is. running for president of the country starts at a young age. you don't just wake up in your 40s and decide to run without considering all of your life actions and affiliations. nik, you already know how i think these elections are gonna turn out, so i'm not really concerned.

btw, nik, i'm loving your blog. i see you have this comment thing on the side. AND you've passed the 10,000 mark. WOO-HOO!! sweet. ;)


Nikki said...

Hey Maria.......FANTASTIC comment and one that should indeed be ITS OWN post!! And it should also remain at the top of the new comment column!! glad you like the new diggs....and passing 10000 whoa I think most of them are myself clickin on myself hahaha!! for real! thanks for the excellent adds to a much needed honest conversation of this topic.....:)N


People have denounced their place of worship for less things. I'm with Anthony Palmer about the hand over heart incident. I'm just :::rolling eyes:::: at the things people can dig up and rewrite to tailor to their beliefs. This includes both elephants and donkeys.

lapa said...

Coimbra, April 23, 1975.
"A few days ago, during the homily of Sunday Mass in a parish church in rural surroundings, the priest spoke to his parishioners about the forthcoming elections for the Constituent Assembly. Launched hand of the parabola to be better understood and told them:

-- "My dear brothers in Christ: suppose that one of you is owner of a dairy cow; if socialism wins, the brother takes the cow, but will have to give the milk to the party, if the communism wins, we ill stand without the milk and without. cow. " "

Nikki said...

Hey Chatti Patti...most people aren't running for President and the convenient ditching is questionable at best in my mind....thanks for the comment! :)N


True, Nik!!

Political candidates face intense scrutiny and have microscopes up their butts when running for office. I just cannot imagine having your every word and entire life's actions published for the whole world to comment.

I'm inspired by your writings to publish a post about reasons why I cannot and will NEVER run for political office. In it I will include events in my life that I do not wish to be exposed to the enire world.

I just can't imagine living a day to day life with new trash being hurled about me in the world news! These people have to be made of STEEL to endure such controversy. I know it comes with the territory, but they are still flesh, blood, bones, and veins, just like the rest of us!

Nikki, have you ever considered running for the school board of education? You would be a great candidate. Your honesty and voice could bring needed change. You are extremely intelligent and well versed. Most of all, you would do your homework and the research it takes to back up your feelings. It would also help satisfy the politician in you!

VillagePeeps said...

i think 9/11 was 'blowback (as ron paul originally said), i think america's problems are 'chickens coming home to roost', i don't go to church on sunday usually and don't plan to go this easter (which i ususally do) and i stopped saluting the flag and singing the pledge of allegiance since the 11th grade. i've even said f@#k america when i find reason to be mad at her. but i still wouldn't live anywhere else, and i'm not running for president. all of the above are my rights under the 1st amendment to say, and i've said it. but if i were obama, hey yo, if you wanna be president it would be nice to show it by showing your patriotism now.