Sunday, July 27, 2008

HANG 'EM HIGH IN IRAN


30 people are going to be hung in Iran today. Iran is second only to China who executed 470 people last year to Iran's 317 people and the US's 42. According to CNN, "The Iranian judiciaries statement said that all 30 were convicted of crimes including murder, murder in commission of a crime, disturbing public safety and security, being a public nuisance while drunk and being involved in illegal relationships, relationships between men and women who are not married to each other. Kidnapping and using weapons while committing a crime were among the charges. The statement said that 20 of the people were convicted of drug and alcohol dealing, armed robbery and smuggling arms." I am sure they all received fair trials with attorneys provided to them if they could not afford one. Let's hop on a plane and have lunch with the Ahmadinajadofreakazoid, he sounds like a fair-minded individual who will be honest and trustworthy if just wooed ever so slightly by one amazing individual. Terrorists after all are just frustrated individuals according to one particular Senator.
After 9/11 Barack Obama had some comments regarding the tragedy, he writes "...We should also examine the foreign policies of the the U.S. to make sure that we occupy the moral high ground in these conflicts. In particular, we have to examine some of the root causes of this terrorist activity. For nations like Afghanistan, Pakistan, Indonesia, or much of the Middle East, young men have no opportunities. The only education they are receiving is that provided to them by religious schools that may not provide them with a well-rounded view of the world. They see poverty all around them and they are angry by that poverty. They may be suffering under oppressive and corrupt regimes and that kind of environment is a breeding ground for fanaticism and hatred. It's absolutely critical that the U.S. is engaged in policies and strategies that will give those young people and these countries hope and make it in their self-interest to participate and create modern, open societies like we have in the U.S." UM, does that include the young men in Iraq? I suppose not. It would appear that the Bush doctrine is a viable one after all, as Obama regurgitated it almost perfectly in his statement...only the Senator will be more nuanced when begging rogue leaders to comply with his demands. I can't wait to watch him talk other nations into freedom and democracy. Save me a seat in the front please.

19 comments:

spud tooley said...

what a bunch of ...

well, i write a little closer to the truth (remember that word?) here if you care to read it.

i, for one, refuse to let you take america this direction, and will gladly vote for obama over bush3 this november.

but if mccain wins, i'll be good-citizen enough to let him lead as president.

i'm doubting you and your ilk will do the same if the shoe is on the other foot. tearing-down-obama-during-the-campaign will simply become tearing-down-obama-during-his-presidency.

how does it feel? how does it feel? to only be a part of negative views and destruction?

the landscape would always be barren if left up to all of you.

and i bet you'd all be quite disappointed not to have something to destroy.

sad. very sad.

mike rucker
fairburn, georgia, usa
mikerucker.wordpress.com

spud tooley said...

utah, eh?

imagine that...

mike rucker
fairburn, georgia, usa
mikerucker.wordpress.com

Sandi said...

I read that article this morning. Quite horrifying. I believe in punishing people for crimes and I do think we have way too many people on the street who should be locked away. But hanging someone for public drunkenness is a bit much. Dang, Las Vegas and New Orleans would be ghost towns!

EDGE said...

Don't worry! THE MESSIAH is here to lead us into total harmony with all of the terrorists!

HA!

Anybody stupid enough to vote for that man is a complete bum!

WomanHonorThyself said...

Obambi is a rogue leader Nik..thats why hes so compatible with them!

Nikki said...

Hey spud, thanks for reading the blog and leaving 3 comments...it appears that you are feeling a lot of angst after reading some of my content, there is a cure for that, its called don't read. Why all the friction your man is ahead, don't worry be happy...:)N

Sandi, I lol at the New Orleans comment. There are a lot of people in this country who would be dead if that were the case! great comment. :)N

Edge, the messiah is right...I feel like he is nothing but a figure head and Europe is great at keeping that type around. :)N

WHT, maybe not a rogue leader, but definately a fraud. So many gullible people in the world...:)N

spud tooley said...

it appears that you are feeling a lot of angst after reading some of my content, there is a cure for that, its called don't read.

what, and be like all of you? just making $%^& up?

ha - absolutely not.

unlike you all, covering my eyes and ears and simply preaching to the choir is something i'll choose not to do.

and covering my mouth?

well, seems i've heard something about cold days in hell... :) we share a motto: have blog, will comment.

no angst - just weary of the opinions of lemmings... as you say, they are "so many gullible people in the world...".

what, you weren't talking about here?...

mike rucker
fairburn, georgia, usa
mikerucker.wordpress.com

Chuck said...

The thing I love about this is that the international human rights organizations criticize the US. We're attacked for how we treat women, racism, etc. Yet they ignore countries like these. You've gotta love it.

Nikki said...

Spud, I much prefer discussing things over personal insults...stop being like we say Obama supporters are...emphatically deranged. :)N

Nikki said...

Chuck, you are so right...so much so they are sending out International attorneys from the UN to monitor our election. Yea thanks but no thanks...the international record on human rights is far worse than the United States! thanks for checking out the blog and making a comment! :)N

Sally said...

Careful Spud you'll be threatened with censorship. By the way, Obama won Utah in the primary because if there is anything Mormons hate more than a Mullato it is a Clinton.

Sally said...

Saudi Arabia beheads and stones people to death. China uses political prisoners for body parts & supply the plastination market. The current occupant hold hands and kisses King Abdullah. The only plane allowed to fly on 9-11 after the towers were hit: a plane carrying members of the Saudi Royal family courtesy GHW Bush. China enjoys favored nation trading status. Pissing & moaning about a problem Israel can handle on it's own: pointless.

Nikki said...

sally and spud why so angry? your guy is ahead...I don't understand the bitterness. Isn't that what us loser conservatives are suppose to be?

spud tooley said...

>sally and spud why so angry?

is there an echo in here?...

mr

DB said...

Spud, come on man. Have a little faith. It is unAmerican to go against the President, no matter who it is. ;-)

Total sarcasm aside, I take no issue with what Obama said, and in fact agree with it. We should take the moral high ground. The death penalty is stupid. Iran is a joke. Obama might just be talk, but Bush isn't doing anything about it either. Obama thinks he is the President already and that is prob because somehow has to act the part.

El Cerdo Ignatius said...

Spud doesn't like making things up (his words, above), but he has no problem with Barack Obama making things up? Or Barack Obama totally missing the point?

1. Making things up: The root causes of terrorism include poverty. "They see poverty all around them and they are angry (sic) by that poverty."

There are lots of poverty-stricken people and nations around the world that do not engage in international terrorism. And I encourage everyone to take a look at the backgrounds of the 9/11 terrorists and the Palestinian suicide bombers. A strikingly high proportion of them come from middle or upper middle class backgrounds; many are college-educated. Poverty is not a contributing factor, even if Barack Obama says otherwise.

2. Missing the point: Terrorists living in the Middle East (and elsewhere) are made this way because of the oppression and corruption of THEIR OWN governments. "They may be suffering under oppressive and corrupt regimes and that kind of environment is a breeding ground for fanaticism and hatred."

The oppression, corruption and incompetence of Middle Eastern governments is a problem. So too are the religious schools that purposefully train young men to become terrorists. (Not "may not provide them with a well-rounded view of the world," Barack, but purposefully turn young men into muhajadeen.) Those are problems, for sure, but here is the real one, upon which Barack Obama has yet to pronounce:
The ease with which the United States and other countries in the West can be made into scapegoats by violent people living in countries that are economic, social, cultural and political failures.

In other words, these terrorists are failures due to their own faults, and their countries are failures due to the structural defects of their governments and cultures. Any anger they are feeling and using as a justification for terrorism should be turned inward.

This is only scratching the surface of Obama's lack of understanding the problem we're facing, but I think you get the idea.

spud tooley said...

Spud doesn't like making things up...

...but spud sure knows straw men when he sees them.

obama didn't say poverty was the ONLY reason - but, like your heroes rush and laura and sean you conveniently twist what he said to make your own point.

unfortunately for you, i'm not that gullible or ignorant.

nonetheless, what, st. ignatius, in your mind, is the correct solution? kill everyone outside the US ... maybe even the illegal immigrants here? all the muslims, too? you probably even want everyone to carry a gun - won't that help get the job done sooner?

again, YOU'RE buying into the - what, ... 3rd? ... 7th? ... 666th? ... reason the bush & cheney oil company said attack iraq? and placing all your faith in these chronic liars and attackers of individual freedoms? (perhaps your pic explains why.) and completely ignoring the report and suggestions that james baker - a true republican if there ever was one - made?

your comment "it's their own fault" is the typical comment more and more vigilantes-cum-americans are adopting - i am law-abiding, you've done wrong, therefore your life is no longer worth respect. and, sadly, Christians seem to be at the forefront of this capital-punishment-for-everyone cry.

how sad. the only words these Christians will here starts with, "depart from me...".

but best of luck to you and your ilk. the USA in your dreams resembles saudi arabia and the taliban more than the constitution.

mike rucker
fairburn, georgia, usa
mikerucker.wordpress.com

El Cerdo Ignatius said...

Hi Nikki: I apologize in advance for this windy reply to Spud's rejoinder to my earlier comment. If you feel it is inappropriate for me to be replying to him in this manner on your blog, then please feel free to delete my comment. I just feel there is a lot in Spud's speech that is asking for a bit of logic.

Spud doesn't like making things up...
...but spud sure knows straw men when he sees them.
obama didn't say poverty was the ONLY reason - but, like your heroes rush and laura and sean you conveniently twist what he said to make your own point.


How do you know Rush, Laura and Sean are my heroes? Where did I write or say that? Anyway, my point stands as written on the fallacy of poverty as a root cause of terrorism. In fairness to Mr. Obama, he may not have made it up, but simply repeated it after hearing others say it. There are lots of people saying it, for sure, but it's still false. Obama said it was a contributing factor to terrorism, and I called him on it. That was my point.

unfortunately for you, i'm not that gullible or ignorant.

That, Spud, is a matter of opinion. (Sorry, sorry, sorry... cheap shot.) Seriously, you can believe whatever you want. It's not unfortunate for me at all.

nonetheless, what, st. ignatius,

Please do not address me as St. Ignatius. I am no more St. Ignatius than you are St. Spud.

...in your mind, is the correct solution? kill everyone outside the US ... maybe even the illegal immigrants here? all the muslims, too?

Good heavens, man! Why would you suggest such ghastly things? Where in my critique of Barack did **I** suggest such things? I would answer your question but I doubt you would consider my response in a serious manner.

you probably even want everyone to carry a gun - won't that help get the job done sooner?

No, I don't want everyone to carry a gun. I believe any non-felon adult citizen who wants to carry a gun should be free to do so. If anyone wish not to carry a gun, that's his own business.

again, YOU'RE buying into the - what, ... 3rd? ... 7th? ... 666th? ... reason the bush & cheney oil company said attack iraq?

I am? It would seem to me that Bush and Cheney oversold the whole WMD business, and I have felt that way from the beginning. I held no opposition to the war, because Iraq was 1) known to be militarily aggressive against its neighbours; 2) had a history of using whatever weapons it had on hand in a war INCLUDING chemical weapons AND was led by a man who by his own admission was interested in acquiring weapons of mass destruction, including nuclear weapons; and 3) sponsored Palestinian terrorism against Israel. However, I did not feel at the time that invading Iraq was the best course of action - if war was to be waged, I would rather have seen bombs drop on Saudi Arabia than Iraq. The Saudis are bigger exporters of extremism and terrorism than Saddam ever was. And if Iraq was invaded to gain access to oil, there are easier ways of doing it than by starting a war. The obvious one that comes to mind is lifting the sanctions that were in place prior to 2003. That would have got the oil flowing from Iraq with much less political risk than a war.

...and placing all your faith in these chronic liars and attackers of individual freedoms?

I did? How do you know where I placed my faith?

(perhaps your pic explains why.)

Can I help it if I look like Richard Nixon? Heh. My use of a photo of Nixon as an avatar should not be interpreted as a sign that I approve of the usurpation of individual freedoms. Funny how I had to spell that out - would seem to me that's a bit of a straw man argument.

and completely ignoring the report and suggestions that james baker - a true republican if there ever was one - made?

It IS possible for people in the same party to disagree, and not accept recommendations from each other. This even happens in Barack Obama's party. I wonder what makes a Republican a true Republican?

your comment "it's their own fault" is the typical comment more and more vigilantes-cum-americans are adopting - i am law-abiding, you've done wrong, therefore your life is no longer worth respect.

I am dreadfully sorry if this offends you, but the situation in the Middle East is UNEQUIVOCALLY the fault of the people of the Middle East. How does saying so make me a vigilante? And how do you get from my statement to yours that I (or others) believe their lives are no longer worthy of respect? Look, it's fine that you disagree with what I say, but you're jumping to ridiculous conclusions. If you recognize a straw man when you see it, perhaps an examination of what you are writing yourself is in order.

and, sadly, Christians seem to be at the forefront of this capital-punishment-for-everyone cry.

At what point did I bring up capital punishment? I was criticizing Barack Obama for what I see as his failure to understand the existential threat to Western civilization from Islamic extremism. And for the record, I am against capital punishment, but again, that is irrelevant.

how sad. the only words these Christians will here (sic) starts with, "depart from me...".

As in, "Depart from Me, accursed ones, into the eternal fire which has been prepared for the devil and his angels" (Matthew 25:41)? I cannot imagine a greater act of haughtiness than putting yourself in God's place and assuming that others are going to suffer eternal damnation.

but best of luck to you and your ilk

Um, thanks.

the USA in your dreams resembles saudi arabia and the taliban more than the constitution.

Again, it's a bumper crop of straw at your place, and you're putting it to use. How you get from what I wrote to foolishly-construed conclusions like these is a mystery.

mike rucker
fairburn, georgia, usa


All the best to you, Spud.

Nikki said...

no problem ignatius, spuds a little high strung so have at it! I added you to my blog roll btw and thanks for coming to the blog to correct the error of spuds ways! :)N