Sunday, August 30, 2009

JFK WAS NOT A LIBERAL: PART 1


With the passing of Ted Kennedy, much talk has centered around Ted as the consummate liberal. Perhaps he was, but his brother, the President was not. The democratic party has only recently been hijacked by the far left. The democratic party used to be more conservative than the republican party, until the 1960's came along and the party changed.
In the beginning was Thomas Jefferson and his advocacy of states rights. The Democratic party back in the day advocated a strict adherence to the constitution and was anti-federalist in nature, meaning anti-national government and opposed a national bank. Early democrats wanted limited government which gave more power to the people. Those were the good old days. Now they advocate more government and less power to the people. Before the Civil war, the democrats or Whigs, were very divided about slavery. Those who were anti-slavery left the party and the Whig party faded away. Anti-slavery Whigs who left the party joined the republican party or other existing parties. When the Civil war broke out, the party was divided into war-democrats and peace-democrats. Most war democrats migrated to President Lincoln and became Republicans, the anti-slavery party. By the turn of the century, Bourbon democrats emerged and considered themselves to be pro-business. They were basically booted out of the party in the early 1900's and joined the adjacent party as well. It was under Franklin Roosevelt that the big government democratic party emerged. The Great Depression ushered in the new deal with a plethora of governmental social programs advocating labor unions, civil rights(nice gig to get dems) and business regulation, all requiring a new standard of income tax revenue. Those who opposed this governmental take over began to call themselves conservatives. African Americans who traditionally had supported the republican party because of their anti-slavery stance, started to migrate to the Roosevelt's new deal and it's civil rights movement.
Historically the democratic party has favored minorities, farmers, laborers and religious groups. Not any more. It used to be that any group vulnerable to discrimination or persecution, the party would champion and that included those seeking religious freedom. I find it ironic that this same party is now responsible for most if not all of the religious prejudice and bashing in America. They refer to the far right republican faction as the "religious right" which holds a connotation of negativity and accepted bigotry.
The democratic party adopted an interventionism style of foreign policy which advocates sanctions and diplomacy when dealing with our foreign aggressors. This clearly was not a philosophy held by John F. Kennedy and his "ask not" philosophy was not indicative of modern day liberalism either. Stay tuned for part 2. The Students for a democratic society, Viet Nam, Bay of Pigs, Cuban Missile crisis and anti-communism. I know, don't freak out but JFK was against communism. Dem's of course are now FOR IT. Let me educate you.

19 comments:

Bob said...

They say, don't speak ill of the dead. I say don't speak *lies* of the dead. The truth coming out now is that Ted Kennedy was a horrible excuse for a human being. He was a fat, cowardly drunk, an abuser of women, and a self-serving party hack. He held a position of great power for many years and used it mainly to benefit himself and his party.....
This story of Teddy trying to deal with Russia to take down Ronald Reagan shouldn't be just a footnote in Ted Kennedy's life. Rather it should be chapter 1 or 2 Chappaquiddick being the other of defining moments of his life.
Those should be his legacy.

El Cerdo Ignatius said...

Richard Nixon and John F. Kennedy, despite their political differences and their heated battle for the presidency in 1960, were usually on friendly terms. Nixon recounted a story about taking a train trip, when he was a congressman, travelling and talking extensively with JFK. Nixon said that he found JFK to be more liberal than he on domestic policy, but that they were pretty much in agreement on foreign policy.

As far as the domestic policy goes, there are usually two not-so-well-defined components: fiscal policy and social policy. JFK was much more fiscally conservative than Nixon, ironically enough. It was on social policy that Nixon placed JFK to his left, but in practice JFK's social policy (although seen as liberal at the time) was anything but. The civil rights movement was based on rights enumerated in the Constitution and had everything to do with the ancient right of liberty (versus whatever it is today, namely affirmative action, grievance mongering, and revisionist history). And between JFK and his brother Robert, they were determined to crush organized crime and probably would have succeeded if not for JFK's assassination.

Robert Kennedy was well to the left of his brother the president on social issues other than crime. And as time has marched on, Senator Edward Kennedy has moved leftward. Back in the 1960's he was actually pro-life.

The true paradigm shift to the left of the Democratic Party started in 1968, and the leftward march has continued in waves since then.

Nikki said...

El Cerdo, that is great info and a great little appetizer to the rest of my write up! I was going to say as I read your comment that civil rights being considered liberal is laughable, it's constitutional...you said it better! Thank you! :)N

Nikki said...

Bob, thanks for the comment, I think we shouldn't speak ill of the dead, for at least 3 weeks. :)N

skiriki said...

This is great information. Some of which I already knew, but I did not know the story about Ted and the Russians. Would like to know more about that. The Democrats way back before FDR were classical liberals and it is true, they were lovers of liberty and freedom. Too bad they changed so drastically.

Nikki said...

skiriki, maybe we can persuade El Cerdo to do a little post about it...:)N

namaste said...

ah the democrats. how far we've come and how time has changed for the worse. this is a great post nik. i'll be writing one along similar lines. i look forward to your part 2!

El Cerdo Ignatius said...

skiriki, maybe we can persuade El Cerdo to do a little post about it...:)N

Oh, great! Another assignment. :-) Give me a year to do the research, writing and editing, and I'll be happy to post something. You know my style - strictly documentary. No hot news at my blog, at least nothing comprehensive, because I usually don't have the time to write the way I want to.

I touched on President Kennedy's philosophy on taxation in my post American fiscal policy and the Presidential election (published the day before the election last November), which illustrates an important aspect of JFK's fiscal conservatism.

ba and the boys said...

see who needs to take a history class if you have nikki!? good post-esp the part about t.j-my favorite president ever!
interested in hearing part 2...

susana said...

Nik, you forgot to mention why the southern states became raving mouth foaming republicans and remain so today and why your republican party has become one of known mainly for their racism and fanatical religious freaks!
So let me fill in a part of history that you have so craftily removed (re-written?)
It happened in 1964, When Pres. Johnson (D) signed the Civil Rights Act. Remember that part? At the time of Kennedy’s murder in Texas, November 22, 1963...does this ring any bells? Kennedy had still been unable to fulfill his campaign promise of civil rights….he was dealing with a republican controlled congress. But after Kennedy's death; President Lyndon B. Johnson-(D) decided to use the window of mourning to get the bill passed and yes, there was an 83 day filibuster in congress. But the bill passed and this single bill is what has galvanized the difference between your Repugnance Party and my Demon-crats for the last relevant 40-something years. That’s why the big-fat elephant still standing in the room today is known as the party of racists and religious freaks….Look in the mirror, cuz it does make your butt look fat!

Nikki said...

susana nice try in trying to rewrite history and thanks again for proving to the peeps that you are a religious bigot of gigantic proportions...are you saying it was a republican that killed Kennedy? Funny how 4 hour movies are confused and you know whodunit. You are retarded and I will use your comments against you. Do you really think I am a racist and a religious freak? Boy are you a bitter ex-Mormon from Utah. Pathetic. Pull your head out of your bitter liberal ass and buy a clue. Your anger is clouding your judgment.

susana said...

'Never said JFk was murdered by a repub, only that he was murdered in TX. if in your mind you equate that to a repub-murderer, that is only your mind at work, trying to twist what I said.
And, I am sorry your party attracts so many religious freaks and racists; for sure, the entire nation would be better if that wasn't the case. Im sure it is totally embarrassing but seriously Nik, rewriting history to gloss over this fact? Or perhaps you were planning on clearing up the whole Re racist/Jesus-lunatic issue for your readers in your part II or do they need to wait for your trilogy to come out in paperback?

Rob said...

Susana - "religious racists"? have you ever picked up a history book about the '60s?

The Civil Rights Act of 1964 that you are giving Dems credit for was hardly "their" baby. You want to talk about a bunch of racists. Starting with KKK klansman, Democratic Sen Robert Byrd. Al Gore Sr (D) was also a vocal opponent of it's passage. Sen Russell (D-GA) said, "We will resist to the bitter end any measure or any movement which would have a tendency to bring about social equality and intermingling and amalgamation of the races in our (Southern) states"

Repubs voted 80%-20% in favor of the Civil Rights Act in both the house and senate. While Dems passed it with only 61% in the house and 63% in the senate. In fact, only 7 out of 94 southern democrats voted in favor of it!?!

I guess if you were ever to pick up a book and read, you'd find that there was in fact a strong, racist opposition by the religious South...only problem is that is was largely led by white, religious DEMOCRATS!!!

skiriki said...

"...republican party has become one of known mainly for their racism and fanatical religious freaks!"

Wow, and you consider Scientology, which is the trendy religion all the liberals are flocking to these days, NOT fanatical? ROFLMFAO! I needed a good chuckle this morning!

EDGE said...

It would have been interesting to see what the country and the world would have been like if JFK served 8 years.

Sandi said...

I was reading just this morning how Ted Kennedy worked hard to move JFK more to the liberal side (truthfully, I can never remember if that is left or right!!).

Sandi said...

Oh, and that's a might fine photo. I was in high school when JFK was elected and it was such an exciting and energetic time. We were so young, and yet we were so excited about the election. Kids in school had JFK signs and Nixon signs. No hatred or anger, but lot of lively discussions.

Khaki Elephant said...

El Cerdo Ignatius' comments concerning JFK's fiscal ideology have always interested me. The "Reaganomics" that so many from the left attack came out of the Kennedy administration. He was a supporter of supply side economics.

Freadom said...

Perfect timing for this post, because I just got done explaining to my wife why I put JFK in my blog banner.